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my husband’s granfather nathan (norman)butler was from saint john,nb.he married clothie commary from old town,maine.i cannot find their marriage certificate anywhere.anyone have any ideas?thanks

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  1. clcrss wrote on :

    When and where was Clothie’s first child born? Perhaps she was wed in the place where she bore her first child … also, check to see if someone else is researching the family line at http://www.ancestry.com to see if they have different/additional info on your ancestors. clcs

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  2. ceirrageorgia wrote on :

    Do you know the approximate date of their marriage and the county Old Town, Maine is in? There should be an index at the County Probate Office for marriages. You look for the approximate date Nathan and Clothie got married. Sometimes it is around the dates of their first child. Where were they living when they had their first child. Check out my blog at ceirrageorgia.blogspot.com for help. I am not from Old Town, Maine but maybe someone is that could help….Good Luck
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    • dungeons32 wrote on :

      i don’t even know if they were married in canada or usa.,probably canada.he was born in nfld according to his sister’s marriage certificate.their 1st child died as a neonate-in nova scotia.

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  3. Vals Roots Pro Genealogy Svcs wrote on :

    I assume Saint John, Nb. means New Brunswick, Canada. For marriage or other vital records, you need to contact the Provincial Archives in New Brunswick. Each province in Canada have their own archives.

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    • dungeons32 wrote on :

      they are not listed.come to find out he was born as norman or nathan and born in nfld according to a daughter’s marriage cert.i am stuck there too.thanks for trying to help

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  4. Ultimate-Genealogy wrote on :

    http://www.jillsgenealogy.com has many helpful links and a great search engine for the site.

    I would look at the church records in the area and see if I found either as a member, as they would likely get married at one of the churches they or their families were members of. Also look in newspapers as they used to list weddings.

    You might want to check the Maine Archives
    http://www.maine.gov/portal/facts_history/vital_records.html

    Is Clothie Commary the daughter of Charles and Minnie? She would have been 11 years old in 1900 census living in Old Town, Penobscot, Maine
    There is a Norman H. Butler in the 1910 census in Limestone, Maine. Son of Marshal and Hattie Butler, he died in NB
    There is a Norman Butler baptized in 1906 in Québec

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    • dungeons32 wrote on :

      yes they are her parents.she was 11mos old on 1900 census.i don’t think he lived(nathan/norman lived in maine,but i will check it out.thanks

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  5. CRoberts wrote on :

    Because Clothie’s family moved from Maine to Canada between the 1900 US census and the birth of Irene in 1903, it’s likely that Clothie’s marriage was in Canada. But if you don’t find her marriage record there, you need to expand your search to other types of records. You should try to find anything you can about the family, which will help you put all the pieces together and may eventually lead you to clues about the date and place of the marriage. There are birth, marriage, and death records on the Commary family at the New Brunswick, Canada Provincial Archives website. Clothie’s sisters, Sylvia and Irene, were married in Saint John in 1924 and 1927, and there is a death record for Clothie’s father, Charles, on 26 Nov 1958. Another son was born to the Commary family in 1915, George Herbert, and he was married in St. John in 1937. There is also a death record for Clothie’s brother Raymond, a birth record for an illegitimate child born to Clothie’s sister Sylvia. There are church addresses referenced in these records which could lead you to a church record of Clothie’s marriage. All of these records should be examined for any clues about the family. Sometimes if you can’t find a direct source, you need to find an indirect one. I would check newspapers in the area for any obituaries for any of this family. Death certificates for any of the family may give the burial place, which could lead you to other family members and records. It can also be extremely helpful to find other descendants of the family, who might have more information.

    As for Clothie’s birth, you can order a birth certificate online from the Maine State Archives for a fee of $7, which includes a five year search.
    Good luck,
    Chris

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  6. Genteacher wrote on :

    The Maine Department of Vital Records has marriage certificates since 1923. Marriage certificates from 1892-1922 are vailable at the Maine State Archives. For earlier records, write to the municipality where the event occurred. Because it was customary for women to be married in their home town, I would suggest that this wedding took place in Old Town. If not the town, then Penobscot County. Good luck.
    Marilyn Giese http://www.askagenealogist.com

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  7. MaryLGray wrote on :

    Check out the http://www.familysearch.org for Clothie first census appearance: United States Census, 1900 Maine, Penobscot; 0119 Old Town city (incl. Indian Island) Ward 2, 4; page 20 of 76; Father – Charles Commary, mother Minnie; Clothie is not yet 1 year old. Therefore you are talking a 1900s marriage record. Have you contacted the Old Town, ME vital records? http://www.old-town.org/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC=5049FF08-D2F8-4E69-84AE-A2F898FA3798

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  8. CRoberts wrote on :

    Not sure where you’ve looked, but I did find what I believe is Clothie’s family in the 1900 census in Old Town, Penabscot, Maine, with parents Charles and Minnie, sister Sylvia and brother Raymond. I also found what appears to be the same family in the 1911 census in the Parish of Chatham, Northumberland District, New Brunswick, Canada, with additional siblings Irene and Gladys.

    There is a great website for Canadian records at http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/genealogy which has images of marriage records, and there are marriage records in New Brunswick for two of the sisters in this family, although only one has an image available online. It said she was a member of the Church of Christ, so that is likely true of the whole family. It also has other information you might not already have. You might try searching this site to see if you can find a record in another location for your Clothie.

    Hope this helps,
    Chris

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    • dungeons32 wrote on :

      i can’t seem to get anywhere on this site.i have the maine 1900 census info.and the northumberland nb census,but cannot find any marriage info,or the exact birth info

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  9. trishc wrote on :

    Marriage records can be difficult to find as they usually can only be found on a local level. Some states (such as Maine) do have marriage indices which are wonderful tools. Whenever I can’t find a marriage record, I review the info I know; 1) Groom and Bride’s Names (keep an open mind, they could have used a different name) 2) approximate year (check census records to give you a good idea as to when they married) 3) place of marriage (try to figure out WHERE they were at during the period of time they would have actually married. Also, I have found that some couples for whatever reason will marry at a courthouse in the next county, another state with more lax marriage requirements, or on a ship during their wedding cruise. If you know their denomination, you can try church records but I have found them to be more difficult to find than civil records.
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  10. nanjones wrote on :

    Time period? If early 1900’s vital records of the state will have it. Church records also are quite good even if the minister was a circuit rider style. Many of these have been complied and published. Most are NOT indexed so you have to go thru it carefully. Do you know what town? Be careful, churches changed names and religions. Old records might still be in the church. Church histories in some religions were complied and submitted to their history center(regionally) or the seminary.

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  11. dspurlock01 wrote on :

    You might want to check marriage records in surrounding counties. Sometimes it was easier to get to a neighboring county courthouse than to the courthouse in the residence county.

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  12. Melin_Swango711 wrote on :

    The year of the marriage is crucial. Early marriages in many places were not recorded by the County or Town. If this is an early period, church records might be available.

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  13. rrjwj wrote on :

    Go to familysearch.org I found a 1900 census for Clothie Commary. There could be more there. If you get the date of when they married you may know where. New Brunswick Canada has great records. Search for new brunswick canada genealogy. Try to find a Maine genealogy society. Or Maine city directories to see if you can find when they were living together. Then you can narrow down the time and place. R

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  14. dhooper wrote on :

    Depending upon the year they were married, marriages may not have been recorded at the county level (civil records). In that case, church records would be the only way the marriage was recorded. Often there is not an actual certificate, but the marriage was recorded in a ledger kept by the county clerk at the courthouse. If you can give me a year, I might be able to help. Also, did they live in the US or Canada? If you can find them in a census, you might be able to obtain the marriage year (depending on the time frame). Every little clue leads to another…

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  15. aaevansdc wrote on :

    Need to know year (at least approximate year) they were married. Could they have been married in a church?

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  16. fmulherin wrote on :

    What time period was the marriage? Do you know the religious affiliation of the parties? You can contact me if you wish:
    francine@mulheringenealogyservices.com

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  17. Fethers wrote on :

    Do you know which year in which they married? Many early records were only ledgers kept by the county court clerk without a certificate being issued. Fethers

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    • dungeons32 wrote on :

      no,i don’t know the year.i also assume they were married in canada,but can find either of them anywhere.he chabged his name from nathan to norman at one point,and they lived in cubit’s,nfld(can’t find them there either-if anyone searches there is another nathan/norman butler there that was a soldier).then some of the commary’s lived in saint john.both clothie and nathan lived in saint john in their later lives and died there,but can’t find that either as p.a.n.b.is only up to 1958.thanks for all the info from everyone trying to help me,debbie

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